Funny you say that, because with teensy the bootloader is also closed 
Teensy is notorious in how they crack down on clones.
a closed source bootloader is just a good buisness model, but they dont crack down on clones.
all schematics are open and not to mention the owner paul is highly involved in all discussions regarding.
there are multiple boards paul himself promotes, including the new sdram integration which is worth particular mention, quite powerful
One additional point I just thought of about the bootloader: If you use the âsmall-appâ workflow, then you donât actually even ever use the Daisy bootloader, just the ST one in ROM. So clearly Bootloader != Daisy.
Are you sure that simply having the schematic would solve the problems that you mention?
Are you sure you will have these problems?
Right now you have a functioning platform for DSP, if you are talking about multiple years working on this stuff it would make sense to make your own board. You could accomplish this in a few months, but it costs $$ and time.
The Daisy solves that $$ and time problem
Second that. To me the Daisy Seed is the path of least resistance for any kind of digital audio device with some processing power behind it.
I just read through this thread and found the whole conversation interesting. To me personally, Iâm not bothered by ES not releasing full schematics, but Iâm also not running a business that depends on the daisy seed, so I can see both sides. I do wish ES success in their path forward, Iâve gotten a lot of joy from using their products to make my own cool noise machines!
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I run a course a university and collectively we probably bought 60+ Daisy Seeds over the past two years. I contributed to the source code of this project in more than one wayš, so let me say to you that I really like that project. However, to us open products are somewhat of a precondition to do our work of educating people, like with Arduino, where yes: I can see the schematic and yes I can buy cheaper and more powerful boards, but I am not going to recommend that to my students. I am aware that Electrosmith has the need to survive commercially, but Electrosmith should also be aware, why the people who bought their product chose them.
That means the âArduino for Audio Synthesisâ is more than the hardware, it is a spirit of education and making things that were previously hard, easier or at least managable. Without a fully available schematic this means there is a âblack boxâ which I as an educator have to interpret in front of our course. I have to explain to them, why we canât see how the souce is made and then have to explain them that it is in principle a CODEC talking to the STM. And you probably see how that isnât really in the spirit of education.
In addition to this impedance mismatch between the project goal and the actually lived policy this induces a doubt into my had as how much we can trust Electrosmith with the serious time and effort we invest in their products. Unless Electrosmith takes action to restore that trust, we probably will have to cautiously consider other alternatives, that are true to that spirit, and maybe even make our own.
š: see for example: GitHub - atoav/daisyfontconverter: A small command line tool to convert PixelForge font files into c-arrays for the electrosmith daisy.
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